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thanks for watching. ac 360 starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. as i heard my colleague dana bash say, we are running out of adjectives. she used seismic. paul ryan, one of the most powerful republicans in office, the man that will preside over the republican national convention told jake tappert he is not ready to support
presumptive nominee donald trump. >> mr. speaker, you said you will support the presumptive nominee. now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. women you support him? >> well, to be perfectly candid, jake, i'm not there at this point, i am not there. i hope to and i want to. but i think what is required is that we unify this party. i think the bulk of the burden on unifying the party will have to come from the presumptive nominee. >> trump responded in a statement a short time ago, quote, i am not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treated soy badly for so long that it is about time for politicians to put them first. speaking of that convention in july, there's a growing list of big names in the party that rsvp
no. all signs that donald trump has a huge hill to climb if he wants to unify his own party. trump is in west virginia for his first event since becoming the presumptive nominee. we are monitoring that speech. so far he hasn't mentioned house speaker ryan. chief political correspondent dana bash joins us now. you call what he had to say seismic. what are your sources saying about the fallout? >> it is still happening. first of all most importantly because as you described this isn't just a senior guy giving his opinion, he is the leader of the republican party, most highly elected republican, never mind that he's second in line to the presidency right now. i also speaks for what one source described as the engine of the republican party, that is the house republican caucus. and he would not have done this. it is open to question whether
or not he consulted enough people within the caucus or not, regardless he knows the vibe and temperature of the caucus. he wouldn't have done it had he not been confident he wouldn't get blow back, in fact, just the opposite, had he not been confident he thought this was the right thing to do, to give breathing space, running room to members if they want to run against donald trump or certainly not with him. but more importantly this is paul ryan trying to get leverage out of donald trump to say i am going to withhold my endorsement. let me make sure you act like a grownup and a conservative. and i want to add that the fact we're looking at the screen, donald trump has been speaking for some time, we've all been listening to see if he would do what the old donald trump or usual donald trump would do which is sort of take out his boxing glove and counter punch harder than he was punched, might have done it in that short
statement, but hasn't done it from the stump. that is quite telling. >> it is telling. there's essentially a standoff between the highest ranking elected republican. how does that play out? >> it is unclear how it is going to play out. what makes it so muddy and such uncharted waters really is it is not just the nominee and the house speaker, it is that those people represent different sections of the republican party right now, and paul ryan when he was talking to jake tapper earlier, he fundamentally acknowledged that donald trump is not from his wing of the party, he also acknowledged that trump represents a very angry and very active segment of the party, they're not going to be happy with ryan withholding his support, but the fact that it is not just them and goes so, so
deep, and this chasm goes so into the roots of the party is incredibly -- it is a bad, bad sign for a party and people within the party who look to heal and get behind donald trump because he is the person the voters nominated to be their presidential candidate. >> you also got news about mr. trump picking up support. what have you heard? >> this speaks to that chasm. rick perry who was an opponent of donald trump, ran against him, then when he dropped out he endorsed ted cruz, both texans. i spoke to him just a short while ago from texas and i actually was calling him, anderson, i heard that people trying to get a third party candidate were trying to get rick perry to join that, to be their third party candidate and his answer was not only am i not going to be the third party
candidate, and i am endorsing donald trump, he thinks that's the will of the people, of the party, we need to move forward and heal. i asked him if he was open to being donald trump's running mate, he said he would do anything to help him get elected, including that. >> wasn't he one of the first who had run to speak out against donald trump and to do it based on religious grounds? >> i looked it up, it was last july. a long time ago. almost a year ago that he gave a formal speech with prepared remarks. rick perry called donald trump a cancer on conservatism. i reminded perry of that. i said so what changed. his answer was well, he is not a perfect man but he believes that trump is smart enough to get the right people around him and to listen to those people in a way that perry believes that trump will be an okay president.
i said not just that, you would question his temperament. and he said no. and again, just to emphasize as powerful, as unbelievable the fact that the speaker of the house isn't endorsing donald trump, you have another wing, including rick perry, who are supporting. >> thanks, dana. i don't think we have seen a party so divided since sixth grade dances until the deejay plays "stairway to heaven." >> what is going on? not only for speaker ryan to believe this but to say it so
publicly. >> it is an astonishing moment. you have standard bearers saying i am here, you have the highest elected republican saying i'm not with you now, and you have the old members of the party, former president, two former presidents, one brother and son saying we're not endorsing you, not going to the convention, not going to be involved. the party is split into tribes. i don't know if you bring it together or if it emerges as something new. there was a moment trump captured the nomination, became the presumptive nominee. it seemed like this will eventually heal itself, even as people took in what it meant. i don't think we know what it means. rick perry, as you said and dana said, he was specific staking ground as anti-trump early on, he was one of the earliest to get rolled by trump. he is joining on, will be a key surrogate. that's an important moment. but people like paul ryan are
focused on the future of the party and future of what conservatism means. i am not sure where it goes. ryan is saying you have to come to me. >> this isn't paul ryan getting other republicans to do the same? >> no, i think paul ryan will come around. we hear about a meeting next week. i think they'll come around and there will be unity. one thing about paul ryan, when he made this announcement, he used unity 27 times. you can say that but if you want that, do what mitch mcconnell and others did. you don't want to see hillary clinton in the white house. >> if unity is the goal, why make this public declaration? >> it is unfair for trump supporters to sit in your faces what it is to be a conservative. it is a way of life for many of us, not something that you say
because it is envogue, it is the way you live and run your business. it is principles people believe in. paul ryan has been doing this his entire life and actually believes in these principles. it is not just you fall in line or throw those away because someone who doesn't represent your principles is the standard bearer. standard bearer of what? >> go ahead. >> i am a conservative too. if you are a conservative, how does hillary clinton being in the white house help the conservative movement? >> it doesn't but i am not the one that put donald trump there to make that choice. all due respect to my opponent, not going to exploit your youth and inexperience, but 20 years ago when there were true conservatives like me fighting for the republican revolution in 1994 where we had real conservative values like the contract with america, we're the ones that were fighting for this. we're not throwing it aside for
someone that doesn't represent any of those things. because he is someone that doesn't think conservatism belongs in the party. >> you said hillary clinton being in the white house doesn't help the movement. you not voting for donald trump is not conservatism. >> that's a false choice. 60% of the republican party didn't choose donald trump. we look at this guy, he is not what he says, he is conning the american people. this is what we've got. me not supporting hillary clinton and donald trump is not automatic vote for hillary clinton. >> does paul ryan doing this, does it give him potential influence over donald trump or if the goal is to get in influence over donald trump, shouldn't you embrace him? >> i say first of all it is an important comment by the speaker not just because paul ryan is speaker of the house, will be the chairman of the convention,
he is seen at intellectual leader of the republican party, key legislative architect, talks about tax ree foform he is layi down a marker, communicating to donald trump that listen, divisive comments have to end. i will use this until you stop having a war on republicans and start training fire on democrats. i want to see whether or not you act like a general election candidate. interesting after cruz withdrew, trump was making cruz's father, saying his father was involved in the conspiracy for jfk. why would you spend your time, precious media moments attacking somebody who had already withdrawn. he needs to, i think for me donald trump needs to be able to pivot to the general election.
if he believes that he needs to do the rest of the campaign what he has done up to this point to be successful, he will not be successful. >> i assume you think he has positi pivoted, it has already begun. do you agree with rick? >> no, donald trump is making an effort, he called paul ryan. they had discussions, it is paul ryan who has taken ten steps back when donald trump is trying to take steps forward, trying to get there. you have the establishment, they don't care about the will of the people or the voters, they say we're smarter than you, you made the wrong choice, we're going to about and not get behind the choice you made. >> i don't understand why does
trump continue to fight a battle he already won. why doesn't he focus on the future? >> watching him speak in west virginia. >> republicans and the rnc and discounting the views of delegates at the convention, why not put all of that past him, start to focus on the general election. >> is there any scenario you see paul ryan not supporting donald trump? >> easy to imagine. there is a reason you don't necessarily see him doing what some republican leaders like paul ryan would like to see, which is that donald trump's interest is in getting elected. that doesn't necessarily mean carrying along a lot of the party platform and baggage, party establishment. just the opposite. you look at the math. we will start to look at what the electoral path to victory may look like for trump. start with 2012, 60 electoral votes, even if you give him
florida and ohio, he has to find other places for support. talk to independents, doing unrepublican things, talking to crossover voters and democrats. >> doesn't it help democrats? if the objective is to defeat hillary clinton, doesn't this help hillary clinton? >> anything that splinters your opponent is a good thing. in this case we see the republican party every moment playing out that it lacks any unity, that it is not going to come together, and even if it does come together, it will be kind of with spit and tape and won't hold together at all. i am not taking donald trump lightly, i would be a fool to do that, but it is a good thing to think about donald trump and the rcc not being in lock step. >> fascinating developments. much more ahead this hour and next hour.
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breaking news. house speaker paul ryan says he is not ready to endorse the nominee of his party. he did not mention ryan but spent 15 minutes attacking hillary clinton. ryan's comments came in an interview with cnn's jake tapper, it was another one of those gravity defying moments that characterized this election cycle. >> is there something specific he has done or said that has brought you to this moment? >> well, like i said, i hope to support our neiman support his candidacy fully and i want to do that. right now, i have to tell you, jake, being candid with you, at this point i am not there now. >> gloria borger joins us. the announcement, what are your sources saying how it could impact party unity? >> well, it kind of throws a monkey wrench into it, doesn't
it, anderson. this was a stunning, powerful moment with speaker of the house saying i'm not on board, i'm get there. contrasting visions of the future. donald trump is the future of the republican party now. paul ryan also thinks he is the future of the republican party. as house speaker, what he is doing according to my sources is saying to a lot of his republicans i'm giving you a little political cover here. you don't have to jump on board right now, and if you don't ever jump on board, you can say look, i am a republican. i am going to vote republican, but you know, i am a paul ryan guy. i agree with the paul ryan agenda. i think the big question is, anderson, when does this end? how does ryan get to yes? he disagrees with donald trump on just about everything. is there some fig leaf that can be applied to get to yes? i don't see that at this time.
>> doesn't mean that he wouldn't or couldn't support trump in the future. >> right, it doesn't, but how does he get there because they disagree on every major issue. he has been pretty outspoken about it. i think what he'll probably do is meet with donald trump and try to come up with some kind of agenda that they can agree on, but on basic issues like paul ryan wants to reform, social security, donald trump doesn't want to touch it. on immigration, trade, on every issue they kind of disagree. the question is is ryan helping his party, some republicans i talked to say yes, or is he hurting the party by not providing the unity they're looking for. some republicans think that's a problem. >> thanks. joining me former romney campaign manager and dana lash. good to have you both. stewart, what do you make of ryan's comments. does it bolster that never trump movement? >> i think this is a moral
choice for a lot of people. i really don't think it is about issues. donald trump is a bigot. i think it is a question of whether or not you think in your heart you can stand with this person and accept what he is saying. thinking about this today. if donald trump were president and appointed bobby jindal to the supreme court, that would be a great moment for indian americans, but because he will ban muslims from entering the country and ban people from muslim countries, that means bobby jindal's family, relatives from india couldn't come to the united states to see this moment for their son. it is an absurdity. you cannot support this person and believe in rule of law and that has stood to be an american. >> dana, to ryan's point that trump has work to do, needs to morph into a reaganesque candidate, is that even possible? if he were able to do that, would you be able to support him? gl that's the million dollar
question. i wrote one of the editorials in national review, while i am not never trump, i'm almost there. depending how the next few weeks go, who knows. maybe if he treats us fairly. we'll see how it goes. i don't know what he would have to do. remember, paul manafort said we're not going to change donald trump. he has been successful thus far you can who he is. roger stone said the same. all surrogates said the same thing. they're saying he is not going to change, i am not quite sure what to expect. i also don't see him doing a lot to build unity. the nominee, it is their responsibility to build unity. he says he's this terrific builder. let's see how good he is, how greatest at building and rebuilding some bridges he burnt, scorched earth politics comes with a consequence. one of those is you have a divided right.
>> i get that you don't like donald trump, stewart, but haven't voters spoken, republican voters have spoken, this is the guy that won the nomination. at a certain point, if speaker ryan doesn't want hillary clinton elected, doesn't he have to get on board? >> i think you have to look beyond november, ask what the republican party stands for. charlie sykes, the milwaukee talk show host, radio show host has been very articulate on this. to support donald trump, you have to buy into donald trump. you have to say this is what i believe in. i think after november that's a very deadly combination for the republican party. if you don't understand for anything but election, you really don't stand for anything. and donald trump as far as i can see is opposed to just about everything the republican party would like to think it stands for. it is not a sophie's choice moment. you don't have to support one or
the other. you have to decide. >> dana, is there something, talk about being treated fairly, is there something trump could do, is it a stylistic thing, tonal, or is it more policy based? >> for me it has always been policy based. i don't really mind political incorrectness so much, i don't to an extent mind the tone. as i laid out in the editorial i wrote for "national review" there are certain policy issues that i am concerned. and anderson, people like myself and there are people that have gone on to become never trump, they're not doing it to be malicious or petty. i would love to be proven wrong. i would love to be entirely proven wrong and i would freely admit it if that were the case. i don't have confidence this is the guy to bring the republican
party around. he started to pivot not just to the right but moderate position, getting back to paul ryan earlier, he is anticipating this will have a demoralizing effect on republican voter turnout, he is also giving shade to a lot of people in congress coming up for re-election. wants to put daylight between them and trump so people don't think of them as a package deal. he would have to change quite an awful lot. i don't think pivoting to be more of a moderate, republicans have protested against that for a long time, i don't think that's the thing to do it. >> dana lash, appreciate you joining us. stewart stevens as well. incredible day and developments. a lot more with the panel ahead. up next, breaking news in the clinton e-mail investigation. we have new details who investigators interviewed and how close they are to wrapping up their work, and what happens next?
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of use of personal e-mail server while secretary of state. the democratic frontrunner in los angeles finished speaking at an event. we have new information about who investigators interviewed. evan perez joins me. what have you learned? >> anderson, we know some members of hillary clinton's inner circle have been brought in to do interviews with the fbi, that includes human a abedin, one of her closest aides. it is an important moment. it signals they're close to wrapping up the investigation. one major step left for investigators to do is interview secretary clinton and we expect that to happen in the next couple weeks. so far there is a lot of work to be done in the investigation. so far there's no evidence to indicate that clinton willfully violated the law, we are told. clearly setting up the e-mail server should never have been done. this is not the way to handle classified or sensitive government information. but it doesn't meet the
threshold to bring charges, at least that's what investigators think. >> she hasn't been interviewed, but aides have. why wouldn't she be among the first interviewed. they hope to gather evidence against her? >> this is how it works in these type of investigations. that's why there are no conclusions. investigators want to see if what she says lines up with the evidence they've already gathered. the fbi plans to work with her lawyers to set up this interview which logistically is no small thing, by the way. she's actively campaigning, protected by secret service, followed by campaign press corp. that we expect to happen in the next few. >> one of her staffers set up that e-mail server was granted immunity in early march. do we know what he has provided to investigators? >> he focused on providing technical details about the server, he helped set it up. things like what were security precautions taken. we know logs he turned over to
the fbi show there were no signs of hackers getting into the clinton server. good hackers don't leave traces behind. so we know there's more work for the fbi to do here. >> evan perez, thanks very much. back with the panel. whatever the status of the investigation, donald trump is already going after hillary clinton tonight. there's no doubt this will continue to be an issue. even if there aren't charges to be brought. donald trump can say the system is rigged, democrats somehow fixed this. >> if it is definitively closed, that will be helpful to hillary clinton to an extent, but the cake is pretty baked on this. a lot of people say as you said, republicans will say this was done essentially to help her. it was a partisan outcome. her supporters will say this vindicates her. what it might allow her to do is move past this, try to focus on issues, not constantly get
questions. what i do wonder is whether there will be leaks in the investigation that she keeps getting questioned about going forward. even if nothing comes from it from interviews. she could face questions and her own interview. >> the fact there are leaks, officials saying no evidence at this point, the fact that stuff leaks out, that raises concerns. >> i don't think anything definitive is sufficient to stop candidate trump or anybody else from using what they want to use. we have to accept it is just a reality politically that hillary clinton long ago detached criticism of her was long ago detached from any rational reading of the facts. there are lots of maybe reasons to oppose her, but there are books, movies, all kinds of stuff alleging the most lurid things. in this case you have a candidate who has never
definitively renounced birtherism against president obama, he is going to be able to say if he chooses say hillary clinton is x, y, and z. he has been saying it through the campaign even 'til now. >> if officials leak out already that seems to help hillary clinton out, that does raise concerns? >> these leaks in these investigations shouldn't happen, they can be unpleasant if they're leaked, they're not unusual. i don't think the amount of information the press and public has about where the investigation is at is at all unusual. actually i think it is less than typically gets leaked by the federal authorities. it has actually been fairly tight. the facts as we see them, the investigation is ending soon. that's a good thing for secretary clinton, this being over will be a good thing.
and i believe completely when it is over, it will be done and shown no laws were broken. donald trump will say whatever donald trump wants over and over, whether it is the truth or not that secretary clinton can say what she said to date, that she did nothing wrong, there will be a period at the end of that sentence and that will be a good thing. >> the clintons try to marginalize problems, we saw it with the monica lewinsky scandal. evan perez says she claims it wasn't willful, it was not a permissible e-mail situation but she didn't know. this is a yale educated lawyer says she doesn't know the law. at best, incompetence, at worst, criminal behavior. >> two prior secretaries of state, one a republican, two
prior secretaries of state, one a republican, did the same thing. has she said she shouldn't have done this? >> they did not do the same thing. >> they had private servers in place at the time. >> if the fbi determines she didn't willfully violate the law, is that enough for you? >> no. the house still has things going on, there are lawsuits, foia requests. >> you don't think it will be over. >> politically it won't be over, there are hearings and foia requests that have to be answered. they try to say it is over. >> i want to take a look at a video claiming donald trump saying he loves hispanics. more ahead. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.
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>> you're going to have a deportation force. they have to go. >> you promise to deport those in this country illegally, do you stand by that? >> yes, they're going to be deported. >> everything i said i'd do, folks, i'd do. >> i'm back with the panel. kayleigh, what did you think about that tweet from donald trump about the taco bowl, cinco de mayo. >> i thought it was a nice tweet, then gets this blow back. can't say he loves a group of people without being hated. he can't do anything right. everyone -- >> without being deported, i don't think love and deportation have an equal sign between them. >> it is mocking a group of people he said he is going to deport, people he called rapists and criminals. it is making a joke out of
taking an entire segment of america and villainizing them and stirring up hate against it. i find his opinions horrendous, he has the right to them, but then to make light of them. >> voters voted for him in nevada, hispanic in arizona voted for him. >> that's not true. 500 hispanics. >> i think it was tasteless. i am a staunch illegal immigration opponent, i worked on that issue a long time on capitol hill. i get that frustration, but it was tasteless. that's like holding up eating fried chicken. what is he doing. he thinks it is funny, ingratiating him to people. it gives fuel to the fire, given past comments to say look at what he's doing. >> for you it is not saying i
love hispanics, it is combination of taco bowl, promoting some restaurant in trump tower that sells taco bowls. >> so typical of him. he is a self promoter on top of it. >> is that much ado about nothing? >> i think it is. typical campaign event and the opposition seizes on it, exploits it, tries to run it down. it is done in every campaign. cheap shots. honestly in the end who cares. get back, talk about policy. >> i agree with you on that. >> i don't think that he thinks he is being funny or mocking, it is like i'll show you. straight out of a new york city race from the 1970s or '80s. a lot of his political reference points are fairly dated, i think that's what he's doing. i am struck by the video.
you have been struck by a lot at how democrats are going at donald trump, they see him as a target rich environment, they can't decide what tone to hit, what targets they're going at. that video was also mocking, light hearted with the music and so forth. two things appear to be in conflict, treating trump as a joke, buffoon, or as if he is a dangerous threat. those two messages seem to be in conflict with each other, and i don't get consistency. >> he made a reference to the bill clinton, monica lewinsky situation. >> the clinton administration of which hillary was definitely a part, she was a part of almost everything, almost i say, not everything, almost.
terrible. terrible. i didn't think the people of west virginia thought like that. >> do you think trump will continue to bring this up? this is something we're going to be hearing much more about? i asked secretary clinton about it, she said bring it on if he wants to go back in the '90s, there's plenty to talk about. >> seems like he is going to keep bringing it up. he has already done it again tonight in a weird around the back doorway there. i think he will keep bringing it up, i agree with the secretary, if he wants to go back and rehash something that was clearly a terrible thing that happened. i am not making any excuses for it and i don't think the secretary is either, then he should keep doing it if that's the best he has. >> more of this, errol? >> one strategist, roger stone, says they have to reacquaint young voters with what happened in the 1990s. those of us that lived through it are probably sick of it, or made up our minds.
thus the joke you played. you listen to right wing radio, you get into some circles, it is a punch line about monica lewinsky. they're going to try to relitigate, acquaint them. >> lynn crushed then senator barack obama in west virginia in 2008. this year is a whole different ball game. clinton's comments are fueling a back lash, driving democrats across party lines. more on that. on car insurance. but first, my luggage. ahh, there it is. uh, excuse me, sir? i think you've got the wrong bag. sorry, they all look alike, you know? no worries. well, car's here, i can't save people money chatting at the baggage claim all day. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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tonight's breaking news, federal officials tell cnn the fbi is near the end of its investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails and so far have not found any evidence that secretary clinton willfully violated the law. investigators interviewed some of her closest aides and expect to interview clinton in the coming weeks. the news as they move closer to clenching the nomination. west virginia has a primary tuesday. clinton won by a huge margin in 2008, this time she's trailing bernie sanders, partly because of these remarks in march. >> i'm the only custody with a policy how to bring economic opportunity, using clean renewable energy as a key in coal country because we are going to put a lot of coal miners and companies out of business. >> she apologized and her comments could hurt her in the
general election. gary tuckman reports. >> reporter: the coal mines that remain open in west virginia are a small fraction of what used to be open. thousands of jobs have been lost. atkins is the county administrator. >> i think we are under attack. >> reporter: it is a war on coal, he believes. the attacker, the white house. we found not far behind on the enemy list here is hillary clinton. >> i am not a fan of hillary clinton. shame on hillary clinton. >> reporter: what's notable that registered democrats outnumber republicans by 6 to 1. anger toward clinton is crossing party lines and increasing because of what she recently declared about the mining industry. >> she meant what she said the first time about getting rid of the coal jobs, shutting down the industry and all that. >> she said she misspoke and
apologized. >> she's a politician. what do you expect her to say, you know. >> who will you be voting for? >> trump. >> reporter: even before hillary clinton made that statement, she faced an uphill battle here. the republican candidate won the last four general elections in west virginia. the last democrat to win was 20 years ago and that was hillary clinton's husband. bill clinton campaigned for his wife this past sunday in logan county and had his share of protesters show up. we interviewed about 20 registered voters. >> in november if it is trump and clinton, who will you vote for? >> trump. >> reporter: almost all voters, registered democrats. this man, another laid off coal miner. >> i am not voting democrat when i can vote for a president. >> you're voting for? >> trump. >> going for the democrat in
november for president? >> not this election. >> voting trump? >> yeah. >> how come? >> i think he's better off for coal fields. >> debbie thompson is a registered democrat. >> who do you support for president? >> trump. >> he is not a democrat. >> he is for coal mining, here people live on coal mining. >> reporter: it was not easy to randomly find people that want hillary clinton for president. but we kept looking. >> who are you supporting. >> hillary clinton. >> there are a lot of people that are democrats tell us donald trump. >> i know. >> you know those people. >> yeah. >> why do you want hillary clinton? >> i think she will get the job done for us, for the country. >> why don't you like donald trump? >> i think he is going to make a big mess. >> reporter: that seems to be a minority opinion in what doesn't feel like a majority democratic county. >> it is obviously a big
vulnerability in west virginia for hillary clinton. donald trump brought up coal mining in his rally there and brought it up in his victory speech on the night of indiana. >> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump said he will bring the mines back, get rid of rules and regulations that make it difficult to compete. he went into a conversation about the pennsylvania primary saying miners there are dying to get to work. but i don't know they're as good as west virginia miners. people liked that. when the speech came to an end, last thing he said, miners get ready to go back, work your butts off. he didn't use the word butts, he used a different word. next, jake tapper's one-on-one interview with paul ryan. why the republican leader on capitol hill says he can't endorse donald trump right now.
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